Dog Walking

User-icon by Project Coordinator 10:26am, 18 August 2009

Dogs are currently not allowed in National Parks. They offer one of the few public open areas free from dogs. Many dog owners would like to be able to walk their dogs in the National Park. How would you feel about this? 

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redondo Comment 1

11:07am, 18 August 2009

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I am strongly opposed to allowing dogs into national parks. There are few places we can go these days without being harassed by people's dogs and their doings and the tranquility of the National Parks should be preserved as it is. In fact better policing of the current rules should be applied because people seem to ignore the rules an awful lot.

Also there would be an impact on native wildlife.

Dog owners have already taken ownership of the parks and playgrounds and playing fields. At least leave the National Parks pet free.

jane4peace Comment 1.1

11:11am, 5 September 2009

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Totally agree with this point of view and would like to see buffer zones around national parks with restricted dog and cat activity (no off leash or for cats, overnight activity). Community wardens could help enforce. wildlife don't know about NP boundaries

Tony Montana Comment 1.2

11:56pm, 11 November 2009

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Totally agree look at the land the Sydney Harbour Federation Trust have aquired. Lay on a blanket on the grass at your own risk of sitting in something or being bothered by a dog off a lead.Its not right that a agency has been given public land opnly to manage it so badly.It is one thing to have alot of money & pretty up some buildings & lease them out. Its another to manage the land & ground we all own properly.

Cyclone Comment 2

12:35pm, 18 August 2009

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Dogs are wonderful companion animals and so are cats. But they don't mix with wildlife and parks are for the wild animals not for our pets.

There is less bush around now with our Sydney harbour park being one of the most beautiful to visit. So while it is very tempting to walk our dogs in such a wonderful place, we need to have a place for our wildlife to live.

Mozzie Comment 3

9:39pm, 18 August 2009

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Dog walking should not be allowed in any National Parks.

These parks are a safe haven for our beautiful native animals, and the plants. The dogs have got plenty of other places they can be walked, and they have a home of their own.

The native creatures home is the national park.

I own dogs.

I love dogs.

I breed dogs.

I exhibit dogs.

I live right next door to parkland where owners can walk their dogs on lead and unfortunately, most disobey the rules. Once in the bush, the dogs are let off leads.

Heaven help any ground dwelling birds who are setting on eggs. Heaven help any litte creatures that didnt scurry away in time. And you know what? The dog owners will tell you that their dogs wouldnt bite anything. Sad.

National parks are for wildlife.

Dog parks and other places are for dogs.

regards,

Mozzie

Nathan Comment 4

8:39am, 19 August 2009

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You state "many dog owners would like to be able to walk their dogs in the National Park". Is this really the case?

I have recently moved to Sydney and there are numerous parks around Harbour that provide on-leash and off-leash areas.

I can't believe that allowing dogs into National Parks is seriously being considered by NPWS? Is this really the case?

Project Coordinator Comment 4.1

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1:17pm, 20 August 2009

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Yes it really is the case, many dog owners, particularly those living close to the National Park, would like to be allowed to walk their dogs in the Park.

Project Coordinator Comment 4.1.1

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1:42pm, 20 August 2009

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The NSW National Parks & Wildlife Service currently prohibits dogs entering all National Parks and Nature Reserves for the following reasons:

- to prevent predation and chasing of wildlife

- dogs may leave a lasting scent that can scare small mammals and birds away from their homes. In some cases leaving their young unprotected or abandoned.

- dogs faeces carry diseases and parasites that can be harmful to wildlife, and also add nutrients to the soil, increasing the spread of weeds.

More locally, the effectiveness of the Fox Bating Program in Sydney Harbour National Park is in jeopardy due to ilegal dog walking. Dogs interfere with bait stations, preventing the laying of poison baits. This in turn makes all wildlife, particularly the endagngerd Little Penguin and Long-nosed Bandicoot populations at North Head, susceptible to fox predation.

Tom Comment 4.1.1.1

1:23pm, 24 August 2009

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These are all good reasons for the policy, and no doubt they are observed by responsible dog owners. However there are the ignorant who would do the right thing if they were aware of the reasons and the others who simply don't care.

For the former: I suggest that the "no dogs" signs have the reasons you have given added. For the latter: I understand the reluctance of NPWS staff to confront visitors already in the park, however I suggest that sometimes a ranger (or any other worker with power to issue infringements) relaxes in a deckchair at the entrance to the park just saying good morning to everyone and politely warning dog walkers to turn back. Only if they refuse need they be booked.

As for the fox-baiting, even places where on-leash dog walking is permitted (such as in most Willoughby bushland), during fox-baiting people do observe the signs and keep their dogs out. If national park dog-walking visitors can't read the fox-baiting warnings then you need better signs. Or more bait! (not really)

Project Coordinator Comment 4.1.1.1.1

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3:25pm, 10 September 2009

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SHNP's fox baiting program is in conjunction with all northern Sydney Councils, we all use the same signs.

edyptula Comment 4.1.1.1.1.1

6:08pm, 10 January 2010

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I agree whole heartedly.

Being a NPWS trained Penguin Warden volunteer, I know how devastating it to lose wildlife to these predators whose owners don't seem to understand the preciousness of these species. I've even been told: "What's one dead penguin compared to our dogs' freedom".

Angelika

Nathan Comment 4.1.1.2

4:52pm, 25 August 2009

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Thank you for the feedback and providing clarity on the reasons behind your policy. Apologises for the abrupt nature of my original enquiry - I didn't mean it to come off that way. Thanks again.

roundup Comment 4.1.1.3

10:23am, 3 September 2009

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Others have made the point that surely not every national park is a nature conservation area. Cats, rats and children are just as likely to disturb wildlife and where a NP has a long boundary with housing it is impossible to prevent serious disturbance from outside the park.

I cannot speak for the SHNP (North) but it is hard to see how dogs could further degrade the southern side. Rules which are designed to prevent the spread of parasites must surely be irrelevant in the SHNP(South). Every can of dog food that is sold in Vaucluse ends up in drains which empty into the park.

Project Coordinator Comment 4.1.1.3.1

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9:34am, 15 September 2009

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Neilson Park and surrounds is the last patch of surviving bushland on the south side of Sydney Harbour and is an extremely important “island refuge” for remnant native species. Only last week a barn owl was spotted with a rat in its talons on Steele Point road.

Gap Bluff where native bush is recovering after decades of use as a defence training area is also an important refuge for native species. The native birdlife here is amazing with native pheasants and a pair of peregrine falcons just to name a few.

roundup Comment 4.1.1.3.1.1

11:28am, 21 September 2009

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I would suggest that there is bit of cultural bias present here: one rule for birds but a different rule for dingos. Would it be just as wonderful to discover a breeding pair of native dogs havd found their way to the park?

thedragon Comment 4.1.1.4

2:12pm, 29 September 2009

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I would like to see if additional provisions could be made for walking dogs in areas of the SHNP, in particular, from Castle Rock to Tania Park or further. It is wonderful to be able to walk dogs on the path from Clontarf Beach to Castle Rock and it would be great if this could be extended to other "dog friendly" parks.

While it's great to understand the reasons set out by the project coordinator for keeping dogs out of the park, it's interesting to note that the adjacent neighborhoods are havens for native wildlife and they are coexisting with dogs successfully. Friends have a resident bandicoot family in their backyard as well as a poodle. We have water dragons, ring- and brushtail possums, birds of many kinds, and 2 dogs.

scul001 Comment 4.1.1.5

3:44pm, 29 September 2009

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No-one has mentioned that there is another VERY good reason for not allowing dogs in National Parks and that is that some people are frightened or do not like dogs and should not have to forgo walking in the national Park for fear of coming across a dog on or off the leash, I am a dog owner and would definitely NOT think of taking my dog to a National Park as a place to exercise her. It's our park , no human should feel compromised in visiting them.

Heidi Comment 5

10:39am, 19 August 2009

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I think responsible dog walking in National Parks should be allowed. Our dog is a part of our family and goes most places with with us, how ever she can not go in National Parks. Not everyone wants to walk their dog around an oval or the streets.

Wes Comment 5.1

1:56pm, 20 August 2009

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Surely all dog owners are animal lovers and wouldn't want to put our native wildlife at risk? (given the above reasons for not letting them into National Parks in the 1st place)

John Comment 5.2

9:04pm, 24 October 2009

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I also agree that responsible dog owners should be allowed to walk or exercise there dogs anywhere, National Parks included.

Forestry and other parks allow dogs and I don't read in the news all the time of all the dogs terrorising people and other animals there.

I consider myself as a sensible person who loves the outdoors and does all the right things for the environment, but The National Parks and the general extreme "Greeny" element should get with the general population and realise that responsible dog ownership is just that. The dog is trained to do what it is told and doesn't annoy anything or anybody and per chance some people take there dog to a park and it is a menace, fine them heavily.

John

roundup Comment 5.3

8:17am, 26 October 2009

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In other posts i have suggested that some sections of national parks be open to dogs, partly as a concession to those who want to take their dog along, and partly as an experiment to see what problems if any appearwith a review after a couple of years.

Nevertheless is is obvious that many people have strong objections to sharing a pathway with dogs and only a fool would assume that every dog owner is "responsible". In my bushcare activities I find many plastic bags with dog droppings - people will pick it up if someone is looking but then discard the bag at the first opportunity.

There is a dilemma which needs some sort of resolution. People can't take their dog for a walk in the park, but they can't leave them locked in the car either. It's a bit bloody minded to insist that only undog people can walk in a public park.

My suggestion: where terrain permits why not have 2 walking tracks, one where dogs are allowed, another where they are banned. That should meet the needs of both groups. Those who can't stomach sharing with dogs can take the undog path.

Adventure Bear Comment 5.3.1

5:58pm, 6 January 2010

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I agree with some of your early comments ('some' dog owners do the right thing) but unfortunately, I have to disagree with your recommendations. As demonstrated by the plastic bags being dropped, what is to say that dog people will always take the dog path? Answer: Nothing. I can say with absolute certainty that 'some' dog owners will 'always' disregard the signs and let their dog off the lead (case study would be the 'on-leash' area at my local oval). That is why it never should be trialed in the NP (in my view).

Project Coordinator Comment 6

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1:12pm, 20 August 2009

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Haven't read the POM yet, but are there any provisions for community rangers to enforce dog restrictions? Bushcare volunteers and locals would be a good start. Also to lobby Manly Council to have dog free buffer zones around the park. Forty Baskets in particular is dog heaven in summer with dog meets in the early morning. The impact on reptile life is apparent and the increasing presence of little penguins in North Harbour should support this.

Wes Comment 7

2:02pm, 20 August 2009

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I have a dog but there is no way I'd bring it to a National Park. I can't believe the amount of selfish dog owners that I constantly see with their dogs at Dobroyd and Bradleys Head. Sure we could ask for more Rangers to patrol this - but why can't people take responsibility for themselves! There are signs at every entrance to the National Park saying no dogs - stop ignoring them. I want to make sure we still have penguins and bandicoots around the Harbour for many years to come. Where else in the world do you have a country's biggest city with so much wildlife on its doorstep?

ceegee Comment 8

10:12pm, 20 August 2009

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I am strongly opposed to dogs being permitted in national parks. Sadly dog owners are always trying to push the boundaries and many dont think the rules apply to them. Seems the only way to keep them out of the national parks is to keep baiting for foxes!!

Project Coordinator Comment 9

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10:41am, 26 August 2009

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I prefer not to have dogs even on a leash in the parks. No disturbance to birds and wildlife; no dog mess to step in; no annoyance to strangers by dogs that bark, sniff or may become agressive.

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10:53am, 26 August 2009

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Let dogs in the parks!!!

roundup Comment 11

4:51pm, 28 August 2009

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I am involved in Bushcare and I do not have a dog. While agreeing with the NPWS reasons for not allowing dogs I believe that there can be benefits from allowing dogs on-lead in some sections of parks. Some reasons for allowing dogs-on-lead are:-

1) the more people who can use a Park the more support we have in the community for the parkland.

2) people, ie ratbags, are a problem too and allowing normal people, albeit with their dog, into parks is an effective mechanism for keeping ratbags out. The more empty the park, the more it is subject to human weeds.

In my experience working in a 20+ha reserve in the Shire, on balance dog-walkers are good for the reserve. In reality, a couple of dogs running loose is the least of the problems in managing the bushland, and the dog owners become very supportive of Bushcare.

pp38 Comment 12

1:21pm, 30 August 2009

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This should not be a blanket rule. Surely not all our parks have species that are threatened by dogs? Why not allow dogs where there is no good reason to exclude them and have stronger enforcement in other areas?

interested_sydneysider Comment 13

10:29pm, 3 September 2009

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I'm sorry, this is going to sound like a rant about dog owners but it is not. I am very concerned about this issue and am strongly opposed to the introduction of dogs in National Parks on any grounds.

I had much sympathy for dog owners until I started working in a park environment.

I work in an urban park environment in which just less than one-half is dog off-leash. Despite there being some very good and legitimate reasons for the other areas being on-leash I am constantly flabbergasted by the number of dog owners who simply do not care and feel that regulations and signs are "for others" and "not for me because my dog would never hurt a fly". They just let their dogs run free and claim innocence when confronted by a ranger.

Dogs don't NEED to go into National Parks - instead many dog owners WANT to take their dogs there. As a dog owner you yourself may be bored by walking around ovals or streets, but do you honestly think your dog cares whether it is in an urban street or in bushland?

Please think of the wider issues involved and not just about yourself and your own wants.

There are so many areas dog owners can walk their dogs in this city - don't ruin the few remaining areas of decent National Park we have left by unnecessarily allowing dogs into them.

karmazone Comment 14

6:22pm, 10 September 2009

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No dogs in National Parks.

Keep the rule simple and clear and enforce it.

On the spot fine for 'dog off leash' in Manly is $220.It is quite effective and would help repay the cost of random enforcement by NPWS(or perhaps Council rangers under contract?).

Adventure Bear Comment 14.1

6:03pm, 6 January 2010

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Can I vote for that twice? no? pity...

The Last Quoll Comment 15

9:28pm, 22 October 2009

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National parks exist for the purpose of conserving biodiversity, protecting cultural landscapes and buildings of heritage significance and providing recreational opportunities consistent with these values.

These objectives are enshrined in the National Parks and Wildlife Act and have been the principles of managing national parks since they were first created over 100 years ago.

The provision of access for any domestic pet (whether dog, cat, pig, bird, horse, camel, alpaca, goat, etc) is not compatible with these objectives and should not be considered.

All these reasons aside, can't we retain a few areas in Sydney in which we can be assured we wont step in dog crap or get harrassed by dogs off leads?

Darren Comment 16

3:43pm, 9 November 2009

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Of course dogs under adequate control should be allowed in National Parks - the anti-dog hysteria on this page is unbelieveable - dogs under control cause less damage than drunken louts ho manage to leave food packaging and broken bottles -

Adventure Bear Comment 16.1

6:12pm, 6 January 2010

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That's funny, I gave you a tick re the 'drunken people' comments, however, unfortunately, the one thing that this argument doesn't account for (or conveniently ignores), is that not all dog owners are as good as Darren in:

- keeping their dogs under control (whether that be from scaring kids/adults or mauling/eating wildlife, etc)

- cleaning up after your dogs

- etc, etc...

dickygreen Comment 16.2

1:03pm, 14 January 2010

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As someone who was threatened by a dog owner 2 weeks ago for asking them to take their dog away from the kids play equipment in an off-leash park, I could never advocate allowing dogs in national parks. Whether its in off-leash areas (of which there are many) or other areas, I rarely go a day without seeing dog poo on the pavement or grass or a week without benig chased by a dog (I'm a runner). Most councils are under significant pressure to provide off-leash areas (and do so as best possible), so national parks should be left as a haven for native wildlife (rats & mynah birds notwithstanding).

If this sounds like an anti-dog rant, it is not as I have had dogs all my life but there is a time & place for everything.

Burn Comment 17

4:23pm, 1 December 2009

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Dogs should be banned from all National Parks.

msw Comment 18

2:09pm, 21 May 2010

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Personally, I have never felt the need to own a dog or any living creature. My personal relationships with humans are quite satisfying.

The thought of having to experience national parks in the company of dogs is the stuff of nightmares.

Maintain the prohibition on dogs in national parks. Where is the evidence of demonstrated need?

If dog owners want to walk in national parks, they can - just leave the mutt at home please.