Use of the Park for Special Events
What do you think about the use of the Park for special events both public and private?
National parks provide tranquil settings in the bush for peace and quiet but in Sydney where there are many visitors and the settings are located in prime viewing positions, the park also provides unique opportunities for viewing harbour events eg (New Years Eve fireworks) and for organising those special private gatherings (eg weddings and family parties). We need to get the balance right and allow opportunities for all our visitors. Special events generate large crowds and often noise which may conflict with the tranquillity. How do you feel about this and how many special events are OK?
roundup Comment 1
6:18pm, 9 September 2009
1I don't think that "large special events" can be separated from allowing general commercial activity in some segment of a park. Any large event needs appropriate infrastructure, from adequate parking and/or public transport thru to toilet and first aid facilities, eg access for ambulances.
It is not even realistic to open a park for picnics without making provision for appropriate infrastructure (toilets, garbage collection, etc).
Thus i believe that any plan for "large special events" should be built upon a plan for allowing commercial activities.
If the question relates to principles rather than to practicalities then I can say that I have no objection in principle. National parks are not cemeteries - people should be able to go there in groups to have some fun. Any group, by definition, is not consistent with "tranquil enjoyment".
Obviously "conservation areas" should never be open for entertainment purposes but I assume that these areas would never be in scope anyway.
karmazone Comment 1.1
6:08pm, 10 September 2009
8There is a world of difference both in principle and reality between paying park entry at,say, North Head for a 'special event' like the viewing of the Sydney-to Hobart start or New Years Eve fireworks and paying what the market would bear to a profit-taking 'entrepreneur'for the same privilege.And,sorry,but no privately managed 'special events'on public land ever seem to properly control noise,alcohol-related misbehaviour etc.Ask Manly's long-suffering residents.
AJ Green Comment 1.1.1
10:32am, 22 September 2009
2Im so sick of 'long suffering residents'. They are the bane of any positive development anywhere in Sydney. They are in essence 'fun police'.
When you move to an area consider what businesses and activities take place in the local area and also consider what could develop in the future and factor that into your decision. Dont be a wet towel on the majority by whinging, it is your choice to live in an area where events happen.
Rather than sitting inside and complaining about the noise, go outside and take part in events, because easy access to great outdoor venues is why I imagine anyone would choose to live in locals such as Manly.
Project Coordinator Comment 2
Project Team
3:31pm, 16 September 2009
2"RECEIVED FROM A REGISTERED SITE VISITOR"
I would like to see special activities organised in the National Parks around the Sydney Harbour so that the areas are highlighted for us all to enjoy
Charlie Comment 3
3:01pm, 21 September 2009
3I believe that large events can benefit the park not only just through revenue but by also allowing people to have a special and private connection with the great parks that we have. However these events have to be sustainable and shouldnt have a negative impact on any of the tranquil environment.
AJ Green Comment 3.1
10:34am, 22 September 2009
0I totally agree with this. A private event can be the first point of contact with the national parks for many. Removing the opportunity for public events will hinder the future of national parks as fewer people will ever access the parks and thus fewer people will care about what happens to them.
redondo Comment 3.2
9:44pm, 11 November 2009
7I dont like the idea of private events on public property like this if it disturbs the access the rest of us have to the site.
nicoleshrimpton Comment 4
11:10pm, 21 September 2009
10I do not believe National Parks should be used for public events. They are sacrosanct places in general - with the possible exception of a significant cultural event such as a new year's eve event around Sydney Harbour. The whole point of National Parks being protected is that they are allowed to flourish unimpeded, from habitation and occupation by human beings, thus allowing animal, plant and sea life to grow naturally. We are the privileged visitors. Right now Shark Island is a prime example of National Park island being rented out - often every weekend through the warmer months in particular - for private gatherings, with zero feeling for the island itself, the natural flora and fauna nor the surrounding foreshores or its people, all of which is flooded regularly from such parties with ungathered rubbish, particularly plastic, disgarded syringes, bottles, foam cartons and general debris. Not to mention the amazing noise pollution from amplified speakers that is then amplifed by the amphitheatre of Felix Bay itself. By what right does the NPWS rent an entire island for profit when Shark Island belongs to all? And at such a cost? No. National Park spaces should be preserved and protected for all - not hired out every weekend for government profit for the pleasure of a few.
AJ Green Comment 4.1
10:49am, 22 September 2009
2I know that the majority of Australians are easy going; our climate and great outdoor spaces really contribute to this lifestyle but sadly we are often too relaxed and apathetic to all speak up and be the majority, which means that often only the few irritating voices are ever heard by governments.
I do agree that we are privelleged visitors to the national parks but I believe private events can be the catalyst for growing the number of 'privelleged visitors'. The more people that engage with national parks, the stronger the parks future against major development. There is no point in being 'protected for all' if the parks are used by none, or very few.
On a side note; one day I want someone to be sincere about their concern for their local park and not use the environment as a mask for their personal concern about noise and private property. If an event is on a weekend and finishes before 10pm then you should have no leg to stand on in regards to noise complaints.
fairplay1 Comment 4.1.1
9:14pm, 11 November 2009
9Having been the unwitting victim of the extraordinary noise abuse from Shark Island over several summers when under the guise of a charity organisation people are paying considerable funds to visit Shark Island and pump up the volume for very dubious financial gains, let's use the parks wherever possible for everybody, but let's please be sensible. To give carte blanche to parties that pollute people's existence - with not just noise but syringes and tons of rubbish and plastic to nearby public beaches such as Lady Martin's and Milk Beach - is just not acceptable. By all means, let's have various controlled, supervised celebrations such as weddings, etc. But let there be a total ban on amplified sound on all the island harbour islands, especially the ones close to ratepayers who don't deserve to have their days and nights ruined by doof doof music. Its tough enough living cheek by jowl in the eastern suburbs already without adding more to the mix. It must be recognised that noise over water is amplified enormously and is far more penetrating than the average party noise next door. And let's have proper vetting of so-called charity events so that the funds that are raised go to the proper charities and not line the pockets of some very shrewd party organisers who sail under false colours. And as for concern for the environment, residents of Lady Martins Beach get together with an army of helpers on Clean Up Australia Day to remove the flotsam and jetsam created by the 'easy going Aussie funsters' on Shark Island who come, enjoy, play and leave their trash behind. We extend the invitation to AJ Green to rollup his sleeves and get down with us all on the public beach this day and every other day after a dance party on Shark Island to clear out the party pollution.
fairplay1 Comment 4.1.2
9:15pm, 11 November 2009
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fairplay1 Comment 4.1.3
9:15pm, 11 November 2009
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mvp Comment 4.1.4
9:46am, 12 November 2009
8National Parks should be used by the people for the people.
Commercial events should be held at commercial sites, NOT National Parks. The public and surrounding land owners are entitled to the quiet use and enjoyment of their property. Land owners usually pay a premium for the location (including surrounding areas) and the expectation of any purchaser would be that National Parks would be free from commercial activities and associated noise and other pollution. A commercial operator budgets for costs and charges the public accordingly. National Parks should be used for the enjoyment of the public NOT for the financial advantage of greedy commercial operators.
Annoyed Comment 4.1.5
1:15pm, 8 April 2010
1I don't think that anyone would disagree with the National Parks being used for specific events such as Australia Day, New Year's Eve etc. However, to operate a Functions Centre within the bounds of a park and to have music blaring until 11pm and people still exiting the park at midnight and after, especially, when the park is located in the middle of a residential area is a disgrace. Nielsen Park is just such a park. The park provides no off-street parking and so the noise generated in the street by these patrons departing is terrible. People-often inebriated- chatting loudly, raucous laughter, busses with engines idling, taxis, patrons tooting as the depart, etc,etc all taking place in residential streets whilst people are trying to sleep. This is just not fair. Residents when they purchased their properties accepted that there would be noise generated by the park until dusk but midnight and after - appalling.
ceegee Comment 5
8:12pm, 30 September 2009
4Transport in and out of North Head via Darley Rd Manly should be better managed and coordinated with other landowners on Boxing Day.
Rena Comment 6
5:32pm, 12 October 2009
9I am opposed to the use of Shark Island, Clark Island and other harbour islands for the use of day long dance/rave parties. These functions should be held in an enclosed area or a venue that is not going to have impact on surrounding neighbourhoods. It is not fair that amplified music should be inflicted on yachties, residents and the general public.
These sort of gatherings are not held in any other national park, why should they be allowed on the harbour.
The Last Quoll Comment 7
10:11pm, 22 October 2009
9Once upon a time people visited national parks in Sydney to enjoy relatively tranquil activities in a bushland setting. The first national parks were created because of their premium recreational values.
Today, events are a regular occurrence in conjunction with an increasing number of festivals and the needs of the traditional park users seeking tranquil enjoyment have started to become secondary.
Events should be held only if they enhance enjoyment and promote an understanding of the natural and cultural values of the park. It is difficult to justify how a late night alcohol-fuelled party achieves these ends.
Clearly there is a conflict if the park becomes subservient to the needs of the event, or unduly disturbs the amenity of the park or its neighbourhood.
MEC Comment 8
9:58am, 17 December 2009
0Manly Environment Centre suggestions for Events Management:
NYE, Boxing Day, Special Events held at various sites, Ad Hoc events such as the viewing of arriving or departing ships.
• Access – a template for Traffic Management for events should be developed and be applicable to all stakeholders for any event on North Head. Such a plan must include the following
o a decision or not to ‘park and ride’ from Manly CBD,
o advertised bus plan to include forward and return route, pickup locations, destination, timetable and fare regime
o access to parking sites on North Head irrespective of ownership (This should also included St Pauls College, ICMS and Manly Hospital),
o safety for pedestrians,
o safety for bike riders,
o Traffic management on Darley Rd as well as side streets on the Eastern Hill.
• Public Facilities such as toilets, waste management
• Crowd Control requirements
• Gate closure times advertised.
Kim Comment 9
5:35pm, 23 May 2010
0I would argue that a "special" event within a public park be opened for admission to the public, be a one-off event and NOT be run on an ongoing commercial basis by an operator within the park. New Year's Eve is one such special event. Extended operating hours are permitted but the event, at least in the case of Nielsen Park, appears to be well-managed, safe and controlled. The balance between the park/its neighbors and its visitors appears to be in balance. Given the nature of "special," I wouldn't anticipate many such events.
